Unclear functionality of 'repeat' and 'shuffle' buttons #339
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Maybe we should have a tutorial or a nice help page.
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Tutorial is a nice thing to place it on vanillamusic.io if one be written someday, of course. But what about small inviting message saying something like:
Just showing it at first start of application should be enough for everyone :) |
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A tutorial on the website is definitely nice to have, but I believe it's best if we use something like PaoloRotolo/AppIntro to display a couple of nice and short messages/images/tutorials on the first run to make sure the user sees them. |
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Holy crap I had no idea press and hold did that. |
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This is not a bug: the setting option just sets the default to use while cycling through the options. |
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Hmmn I see. A suggestion then, shuffle and continuous shuffle have the same logo,perhaps give continuous shuffle its own? |
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as an idea, the shuffle symbol with the 4 ends bended together to some degree to symbolize the infinite symbol :) |
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I'm actually thinking to remove the continous shuffle option as it is a constant source of confusion and adds very little value |
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Make it default shuffle action |
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I'm still not entirely sure how "shuffle + random" are supposed to work and how people are using them. At the moment shuffle doesn't seem to work at all (for items that are already in queue) and I can't tell if that's #562 or if I'm just doing it wrong. As far as I can see: if the left button was replaced by a simple "shuffle current queue now" (on demand action button), that should allow for all usage cases and be a lot less confusing... or is anyone doing something with the current "left button" that wouldn't be possible with just "shuffle queue now" any more? Since albums, playlists etc can easily be added to the queue, that should take care of just about everyone's shuffling needs? ( Not sure if "repeat current track" or "stop after current track" are needed either - is anyone using those / why not just queue only one track if you really want it to run "all day long"? ) edit: left, not right |
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Agreed with that one : I actually stopped trying to understand and/or
remembre how both those buttons work. ^^
All I need is to play my whole library (stored in ONE directory tree in my
SD card, BTW. No need to scan the whole partition !) in random order. :-)
It's cool to have other options though, but they sometimes are more
confusing than really useful.
2017-03-12 22:19 GMT+01:00 yaymeh <[email protected]>:
… I'm still not entirely sure how "shuffle + random" are supposed to work
and how people are using them. At the moment shuffle doesn't seem to work
at all (for items that are already in queue) and I can't tell if that's
#562 <#562> or if I'm just
doing it wrong.
As far as I can see: if the right button was replaced by a simple "shuffle
current queue now" (on demand action button), that should allow for all
usage cases and be a lot less confusing... or is anyone doing something
with the current "left button" that wouldn't be possible with just "shuffle
queue now" any more? Since albums, playlists etc can easily be added to the
queue, that should take care of just about everyone's shuffling needs?
( Not sure if "repeat current track" or "stop after current track" are
needed either - is anyone using those / why not just queue only one track
if you really want it to run "all day long"? )
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The button on the right controls how the queue advances while the button on the left changes how items get enqueued. Random mode (dice on the right side) adds a random track shortly before the queue would run out of songs. Shuffle mode (arrows on the left side) instricts vanilla to shuffle songs/albums while they get added to the queue. |
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This explanation is useful. |
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We probably really should add some documentation to vanillamusic.io, but i am a terrible doc writer. If someone would like to pick this up: go ahead! :-) |
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I am a terrible doc writer too, but I'll give it a try. In exchange I would like to obtain a nightly build without translations to ease my mental labor. |
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Well it was a long time and still a work in progress, but here's a preview. Please don't mind the "jokes" they're for fun only (kept me awake and sane for all the time, I'm not a good comedian, I know) and will be exterminated after draft state will be passed. So watch out, it's 6 pages long already: |
Ouch... One thing I should note is that a lot of people believe things on sight. You might want to watch some of the more easily misinterpreted jokes (like this one), because, even though we know you had good intentions, some idiot will inevitably take this out of context in some stupid way. |
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I'd like to help for that documentation by starting to write solutions to issues that I've encountered (easier to explain precisely). I think we should open an "Issue" here, where each person would post a part of the documentation related to a question / a tip etc.. @adrian-bl sounds good ? |
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Sgtm, or we could enable githubs wiki function and give some people direct wiki-only-edit access (if thats possible, in the worst case we could create a new repo for the wiki) |
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@adrian-bl Yes it'd be cool like that. Please let us know :) |
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Not sure if i got the permissions right, but i added @andiandi13 as a collaborator for https://github.com/vanilla-music/vanilla-music.github.io/wiki So you should now have (in theory) write permission to the wiki there after accepting the invitation. |
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@adrian-bl Thank you, I can create new pages. So, for the presentation, do you want 1 page = 1 theme ? Because it can be pages concerning a global "help" like "Playlist management", but also "questions" that would fit in an FAQ like "Why my non indexed files have no tags ?" and the reply below. |
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Hmm.. Not sure: but 1 theme per page and a global FAQ wouldnt sound like a bad idea to me |
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That's right, but if I create an FAQ page, can anybody who have write permission add their own question inside it ? |
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Yes: all wiki users can edit any page |
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Btw: nice work so far with the FAQ! |
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Perfect then, so to all wiki users : feel free to correct my sentences if they are mistakes for English isn't my mother tongue. @adrian-bl thanks :) |
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@adrian-bl I was thinking of a tricks/tips page with text AND images. Would it be a problem to add pictures if the wiki happens to be moved somewhere else (e.g inside the app, or on the website etc.) ? |
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No, that wouldn't be a big issue (assuming the pictures are hosted on github) |
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Alright. Yes they are on github. |
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Btw: I commited 34ad6a2 which adds a 'Help' section to the menu which links to the wiki. Unfortunately, Github wikis don't seem to work that well on mobile, which surprises me. |
Why is the wiki always going to desktop mode in my browsers ? I mean I never had access to the wiki in mobile even if github is it's mobile version.
It sounds good but if we do that, will the wiki be automatically updated in vanillamusic.io or we have to import the changes ? |
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It seems that github simply failed to create a mobile/responsive version of the wiki, so it always looks like a desktop site. About the update: yes, we could automatically sync the contents. Just need some time to write a script to do this. |
Ah OK, I thought it was intentional.
Cool :) |
From /u/smitt75 from reddit:
We've had similar issues in the past, and it's unclear for new users what various states of each button mean, and a lot of people don't even know they can long-press the buttons to get a list of the states in a dialog.
The least we can do is to display a tooltip with the caption for each state change.
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