Openface License Information. No Commercial Use Without Purchase, $18k Per Year

[Hunanbean]

I just learned that Openface, which this project depends on, cannot be used for commercial purposes without purchasing a license.
Important points from the license:

The non-exclusive commercial license requires a non-refundable annual royalty 

(USD $10,000 for OpenFace Light,
USD$15,000 for OpenFace Landmark,
USD$18,000 for OpenFace Full Suite: see each offering for details.
The license is non-negotiable.

Information required to complete the license:

Legal company name
State/country of incorporation
Type of corporation
Principal address of corporation
Name and title of person who will sign the license
Title of the person who will sign the license
Address for notices, including name and email of person to be notified

https://cmu.flintbox.com/#technologies/5c5e7fee-6a24-467b-bb5f-eb2f72119e59

Thank you again for making this. I just felt this is an important point to note, as i was rather far into using this when i discovered that i had to pay someone else to be able to use it commercially.

[NumesSanguis]

I see, I guess the documentation could point this out more clearly.
There is a file called LICENSE_note.txt, which states: "FACSvatar integrates many projects, which can contain different licenses.".
Also, it refers to the documentation, where a page called License info can be found. This page states more clearly that there are commercial restrictions.
I should put somewhere: "SOME MODULES USE NON-COMMERCIAL LICENSES, please check this page for more info: ".

https://cmu.flintbox.com/#technologies/5c5e7fee-6a24-467b-bb5f-eb2f72119e59

Thank you for the link. That page describes the licensing terms better than their GitHub page. This page did not exist (at least that I'm aware of) when I made that license page. I'll update the documentation with that one.

The idea of FACSvatar is that it is not dependent on a specific module. As long as someone develops a tracker that outputs AU values (based on FACS), it can be used as a drop-in replacement for OpenFace. Everything else will continue to work as normal.
There has been no need yet (and it was the best one I could find at that time) for me personally to use another tracker.
I would welcome pull requests for new trackers though ^-^

[NumesSanguis]

Also note that the FACSvatar code itself is licensed under LGPL. This allows commercial usage, but any changes to the code need to be published. The L in LGPL means that only FACSvatar code changes need to be published, not any code that interfaces with FACSvatar. So you can combine it with commercial closed-source code.

Publishing your code would mean more functionality, making it useful for more people, leading to more people contributing, which increasingly improves the project. So please do publish what you make :)

[Hunanbean]

Thank you for the clarifications. I will have to research a bit further to make sure that StrongTrack outputs actual AU values, and not something particular. But as far as i know, you can set it up to output the tracking information in a variety of formats. It is still in the early stages, but does has proven function. I am also awaiting clear clarification of his license, but from what he has said in his demonstration videos, this is freely usable for commercial purposes.

StongTrack at github

Thank you, and be well!

[Hunanbean]

Update about StrongTrack. I must been flustered by the openface license when i was checking StrongTrack licenese. Rob in Motion has a clearly stated GNU General Public License v3.0 on his github. I have zero programming experience. Hopefully someone will be kind enough to get these two awesome projects working together.

[NumesSanguis]

Thank you for linking that project, it's interesting. It seems for now that it's only lip tracking, which also OpenFace does (not sure which one does it better), but full face tracking is coming. License-wise it's somewhat better for commercial projects, but just as a warning, the GPL is quite hard to manage in a commercial project (as opposed to FACSvatar LGPL), unless you're planning to distribute all your project files.

Personally, I'm not using this project for commercial purposes, so honestly OpenFace is enough for me. More supported trackers is of course better for the health of this project, so it would be great if someone would create support for it.

[Hunanbean]

It is very confusing territory. So the code of a given program may be licensed under GPL instead of LGPL (or any myriad other licenses), but what about the Output of that software? This is a subject that even high paid lawyers are having a problem deciphering. (A google search will show many videos of lawyers saying that the language of the GPL is at times undecipherable, and also contradictory) for example, Blender is under GPL, but anything i create with it is fully mine. I would think that is the general intent of the people who release under GPL. But, again, i think in many cases, people are releasing under GPL, attempting to say 'hey, use this for whatever' with out realising the effect of that license on other software that may either derive from, or use the output of. So i guess the pertinent question is, if i am using a GPL 3.0 software, do i fully own the content i create with it. It may be worthwile for people to watch what Linus Torvalds has to say about GPL 3.0 in general. It is not good.

But my point is, even though StrongTrack is GPL, the Output of that program should be readily, legally, useable to send data to FACSvatar without issue. Seems people are following the pack, and releasing under GPL3 without really understanding the limitations this is putting on, for example, indie game developers.

I really do not know, because i surely cannot comprehend all these licenses.

[Hunanbean]

Regarding StrongTrack. Rob in Motion has stated that he is actively working on extending the type and amount of what it can track. I get the impression that when he is done, it will be comparable to OpenFaces ability.

[Hunanbean]

Further information. I went ahead and contacted the lawyers for 'Openface' and posed the following question.

"I just want to use the Output from this tracker to make my game characters move their face. does this really require a commercial license?
I do not want to include any code, or use this for advanced analysis. I just want to use it to make my indie game characters move their face. I can run the output through an open software called FACSvatar to animate my characters faces. Does this require a commercial license? yes, i will be selling the game. No, your core technology would not be included. Only the Output tracking point numbers."

The response I received stated that yes, this would fall under commercial license requirements.
Just wanted to clarify that for others, as i was not sure that it would, since i was not using any code from the project, in my project.
I also wrote back indicating the advancements in the open source community, such as 'StrongTrack' and suggested that they may wish to lower the price of their license since they are moments away from 'free' competition. I do not know if there will be a response.

[NumesSanguis]

@Hunanbean Sorry to hear that :/
I doubt they're going to lower their price as long as there is no good FACS competitor.
Also, it doesn't seem that StrongTrack is going to target that specific system of describing the face...
Maybe once StrongTrack does robust face tracker, the output is translatable to FACS though?

Just out of interest and the chance of another FACS tracker coming out, around what time period are you planning to release your Indie game?

[Hunanbean]

Although i am devoting all my to the game, as a single developer it is a long arduous process. It is still in very early development. although i am shooting for an alpha release in under one year, that may not be feasible. The long and the short of it is, I do not have any realistic estimate yet, as there are still several issues that bring development to a halt, such as this one. I have decided for the time being to go a different route for lipsync and facial expressions. for lipsync, i have rewritten the phoneme/viseme references in papagayo-ng to include more. i am also expanding the MHX2 (makehuman exchange), to support all the added visemes, and expand its functionality to uses beyond the makehuman base. for facial expressions, i am using point based facial tracking with blender, which is not very efficient. perhaps i will be able to make use of StrongTrack as it develops. I will keep an eye on your project here for word from you if you find another, and i will mention if i happen to spot one first. I do hope another FACS based tracker comes to be. Thank you again, and be well! p.s. I do not know if you want to keep this as an open issue or close it, i leave it up to you also, for anyone interested, i will post the code changes for papagayo-ng for merge, or alternate, as soon as i finsh the project

[NumesSanguis]

I'm in the process of rewriting the documentation, although some other stuff grabbed my attention. I thought I was clear enough of my mentioning of the license, but it seems it can be better. So until the new documentation is more clearer, we can leave this issue open.

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Good luck with your game! If I come across another FACS tracker, I'll let you know.

[Hunanbean]

Thanks!

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[fire]

Proposing using Google mediapipe facemesh integration.

[NumesSanguis]

@fire I think you're talking about this solution right?:
https://google.github.io/mediapipe/solutions/face_mesh.html

Thanks for the suggestion! I've wanting to use Google's facemesh since it was part of Android ARcore, but it was too hard to separate the code. Now it's a Python package, it's much easier to use it seems.
Just 1 thing noticed from the video with the child, the tracking is still symmetric in the face. That means it cannot track 1 eyebrow raised while the other eyebrow is not.

There is still work to be done before it can be used though. Using mediapipe facemesh only gives the coordinates of the tracking points, but is not in the FACS format yet. So someone would need to make a mapping from this tracker to FACS. This is not trivial and I'm not actively working on this project anymore.

Why FACS? This project wants to stay tracker and model agnostic, and FACS is a great description of human facial muscles. An image explaining this can be found in the v0.4.0 branch:
https://github.com/NumesSanguis/FACSvatar/tree/v0.4.0

[fire]

Can you sketch a way to map from this Google Mediapipe to FACS? I have no idea where to start.